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Oct 30, 2013|

Obamacare congressional oversight hearings - Kathleen Sebelius testimony

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This is the -- castle show. Soured and charge my batteries specialists worried performer gonna do this morning is what I play and -- we started this new format back in January I'm gonna try to bring the news to you as best I can. As it actually happens and not wait until after it happens and then report on itself. This morning the scene is a hearing. In the house energy and commerce committee. Chaired by Fred Upton a Republican from Michigan and Kathleen Sebelius the health and human services secretary. Is sitting at a table -- is what I would describe as a very hateful -- Here is chairman Upton so -- listen to this nimble comment about it. Implementation. -- contractors TGI testified only last week that they have been data. But needed the administration's permission to release it we asked the secretary on October -- for those figures but we still have not received a response we hope to -- one today. The American people deserve answers as well as a peace of mind to promises will be kept. Secretary has an opportunity today to embrace transparency and start -- restoring. The public's faith in the administration. And the government I yield -- money. Colleague ranking member of the committee -- collection. Thank you mr. chairman I'm. -- secretary Sebelius is here today. She's here to discuss the Affordable Care Act. Just like -- Medicare part. The launch of the new web site has not gone well. But just like Medicare part. A lot of the discussion today will focus on that website. This is an important issue. And I wanna learn what the secretary can tell us about the problems being XP experienced. And how they will be fixed. But we should keep this issue in perspective. The affordable care all act is working. It has been improving their health security. Of millions of Americans. For the past three years. Because of the Affordable Care Act more than seven million people on Medicare. Have shaved more than eight billion dollars on their prescription drugs. More than a hundred million Americans have access. To free preventive coverage. And no longer face lifetime limits on their coverage. Over ten million Americans have received rebates. From insurance companies. And finally. This January. The worst abuses of insurance industry will be halted. Never again will firmly be denied coverage. Because their child has a chronic health condition. Never again will individuals see their premiums. Shoot up because they got sick. Or face an unexpected medical expense. Never again will they woman have to pay twice. As much as a man for the same insurance. That is why allowing insurers. To continue offering deficient plans next year is such a bad policy. The law says that all plans. Except those that were grandfathered in 2010. Must meet the new consumer consumer. Protection standards. If we don't enforce this policy. Insurance companies can continue offering. Flimsy coverage that disappears when people actually need it. And no one should want that. It is understandable that there will be a focus today on why isn't working but we must also remember what is working. The health insurance plans that are being offered in the exchanges are good plans. Their premiums are much lower than expected. 60% of the uninsured individuals shot because the new marketplaces will be able to get coverage for less than a hundred dollars per month. Half of the young adults will be able to get coverage for less than fifty dollars per month. And since congress adopted the Affordable Care Act health care costs across the whole economy. Have grown at their lowest level in decades. -- success of the Affordable Care Act is due to the efforts of -- people. But one individual avoided any other. Is responsible for all the good that hasn't been accomplished and that is our witness today secretary Sebelius. So I would urge my colleagues to stop hyperventilating. The problems with health care dot gov are unfortunate. And we should investigate them. But they will be fixed and then every American will have tried to have access. To affordable health insurance thank you mr. chairman. Thank you. Before we swearing in secretary Sebelius I wanted to clarify. Energy and commerce when he practiced for the swearing in of witnesses. Committee typically has to -- two types appearance oversight hearings and hearings -- focus on legislation and policy. Secretary Sebelius for example -- testified previously before a committee to discuss issues related to the HHS budget or other policy matters. As is the case -- all policy witnesses. Secretary Sebelius was not required to take an oath prior to testifying. Today's hearing is different it is an oversight hearing. It is a long standing committee practiced this wherein all witnesses -- oversight hearings whether they be private citizens who -- cabinet secretaries. Mr. chairman I I thank you for your comments and I just want to join you would simply explaining. That allowed it the swearing in of the -- this. Before an oversight committee hearing it's always been under oath that is a standard procedures this committee. When we're conducting an oversight or hearings so it may seem strange to have the secretary. Of health and human services have to be sworn in. But all witnesses in an oversight hearing are sworn in that is our procedures. Thank you so I would now like to introduce a witness for today's hearing the honorable Kathleen Sebelius is the secretary of the department of health and human services she was appointed -- this position in April of 2009. And was sworn in as the 21 secretary on April 28 2009. So I will now actuary UN if you would run. Eyes and as -- Waxman and I just discuss committee is holding an investigative hearing and when doing so they've had a practice of taking testimony under oath. Do you have any objection to testifying under oath. And the chair now advises you that. You are. The CEO I've now read you. Still do you swear that the testimony you're about to give us the truth. The whole truth and nothing but the true. They're now under oath and subject to penalties set forth in title eighteen section 1001 of the US code. You may now give a five minute summary of the written statement. Welcome again thank you for being here. He had to use that Mike. He don't know how many people want to hear you this morning. Thank you chairman Upton ranking member Waxman members of the committee. I left my position as governor of Kansas four and a half years ago. For the opportunity to continue work I've been doing for most of my over 35 years of public service. To expand the opportunities for all Americans regardless of geography gender or income. To have affordable health coverage. During my years as a state legislator as an elected insurance commissioner as head of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. And as a two term governor and now as HHS secretary. I have worked on that effort that I cared deeply about. There's still millions of Americans who are uninsured as well as underinsured. People who have some coverage at some prize for some illness. But have no real protection from financial ruin and no real confidence they'll be able to take care of themselves and their families if they have an accident or an illness. And for them a new day has finally come. In these early weeks access to health -- dot gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans. Including many who have waited years. -- some cases their entire lives for the it security of health insurance. I am as frustrated and angry as anyone with a flawed launch of healthcare dot gov. So let me say directly to these Americans you deserve better. I apologize. I'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I'm committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site. We're working day and night and will continue until it's fixed. We've recently added new management talent additional technical expertise in a new general contractor to identify prioritize. And manage fixes across the system into broad categories. Performance which deals with speed and reliability and function. Which deals with bugs and problems in the system. Our extensive assessment. Has determined that healthcare dot gov is fixable. And I wanna just outline a couple of the improvements we've made today. We now more users. Successfully creating accounts we can process up to 171000 account registrations per hour. Aren't nearly five per second. Instead of some of the users seeing a blank screen at the end of the application process they can now see whether they're eligible for financial assistance and make more informed decisions. Because we've improved performance customers can now shop for plans quickly filtering plans takes seconds not minutes. Users are getting fewer errors and time out messages as they move through the application process. And the system has been strengthened with double the size of servers software that's better optimize and high capacity physical database. Which replaces a virtual system. The chairman referred to outages this weekend and again yesterday. And I would suggest to the committee that if you read the statement of Verizon who host the cloud service that. It is the Verizon server that failed not healthcare dub dub in an affected not. Only HHS and other customers. We still have a lot of work to do with a plan in place to address key outstanding issues. It includes fixing bugs in software that prevented it from working the way it's a post June. And refreshing the user experience so folks can navigate the site without encountering air messages timeout and slow response times and by the end of November. We -- committed that the vast majority of users will be able to review their options shop for plans and rolling coverage without the problems are way too many. Have been experiencing. The consumers are using the site every day and continue to do so and problems are being sought. But we know that we don't have a fully functioning system like consumers need and deserve. We are still at the beginning of a six month open enrollment which extends through the end of march and there's plenty of time to sign up. They just supreme perspective the average open enrollment for an insurance plan is two to four weeks. The new marketplace has a 26 week open enrollment and those who enroll by December 15. We'll be able to access their benefits on day one. Even with the unacceptable problems of healthcare dot gov which we are committed to fixing. The Affordable Care Act by any fair measure is working for millions of Americans. -- are benefiting from new health security young adults Americans living with preexisting health conditions seniors on Medicare. 85%. Of Americans already have health coverage are protected with new rights and benefits. The 15%. Of our neighbors and friends who are uninsured. An affordable new options in a competitive market. And cost growth for health care is lower than it's -- years. Millions of Americans are clearly eager to learn about their options and to finally achieve health security made possible by the Affordable Care Act. My commitment is to deliver on the promise. Thank -- this job. Well thank you very much to. Close -- if you -- the Mike at cold. A little bits from you. I appreciate you being here this morning and we work with our leadership to see that we don't have votes -- -- -- this -- -- who won't be interrupted. I appreciate your. The. The time for questions to be just four minutes so hopefully we can get through. All the members that are here. Hang it pretty fast with the gavel coming to say so I would get funny questions so let's kind of threw them break and we. I think everyone in America remembers the president's words. If you like your health care plan you can keep it period. And he Affordable Care Act insurance policies that were in effect on March 23 22 and. When the law was enacted would be grandfathered. In a few months later despite the president's word. He -- HHS. Help promulgate a new red. Sitting in your own review show that effectively could deny perhaps as many as more than 50% to may be even higher. Those holding individual policies the right to renew their own insurance plan. And I would guess that there are a lot of us on this panel today that are hearing from angry and confused constituents. Who are now being forced to go on to an inept website whether they like it or not. Act to shop. For a new replacement policy. They're finding premiums. Often more than a 100% what their pain before. Some even as high -- 400%. As I've heard from and rising deductibles as well. So when was the president specifically informed. Of the regulation change. India so was it pointed out that this totally undermines his biggest selling point in I would note. It on the screen in a statement that he made. More than three years after the regulation change was common gated. The president said again so the first thing neat you know need to know is this if you already have health care you don't have. To do anything. So he's been on the same page from the very start. Get the regulations changed months after the bill was enacted. That are now causing. Perhaps millions of Americans to be denied. The ability. To renew their individual coverage. Why was that change -- and did the president know. Well mister chairman there was no change the regulation involving grandfathered plans which applied to both he. Employer market and the individual market indicated that if a plan. That was in effect in march of 2010 stayed in effect without unduly burdening the consumer with reducing benefits and adding on huge -- that plan would stay in effect and never have to comply with any of the regulations and the Affordable Care Act that's what the grandfather clause that. The individual market which affects about twelve million Americans. About 5% of the market people move in and out. They often have coverage for less than a year a third of them have coverage for about six months. And if a plan was in place in march of 2010 and again did not impose additional burdens on the consumer they still haven't its grand. On -- -- -- why not let the consumer decide when they want to renew it or not why I was why were regulations promulgate in the summer of 2010 at ten. Undermine the ability for those folks to -- up which is one of the reasons for the are similar no regulation no age we outline the grandfather policies of people could keep their own plan. We then began to implement the other features of the Affordable Care Act so if someone is buying a brand new policy in the individual market today. Or last week they will have consumer protections for the first time many people in the under. Individual market are medically underwritten that will be illegal. Many women are charged 50% more than men that will be illegal you cannot. Again eliminate someone because of her preexisting health conditions you can't dump someone out our lock someone up so those provisions. But if again a plan is in place and was in place at the time that the president signed the bill and -- consumer wants to keep the plan. Those individuals are grandfathered in and that's happening across the country in the individual market. We're learning infected folks who did have a plan like this in fact are being told that it's canceled in that in the last I'm my time is expired let me. Meals to the ranking member mr. Waxman for -- -- thank you mr. chairman I had to smile a curious line of questioning. Because everybody expected this hearing was about the website that's all we've been hearing about is the web site. But that's not the only complaint we've been hearing about since the Affordable Care Act was adopted. We were told. By our Republican friends and millions of jobs would be lost and the fact they're -- gain of seven million jobs they said that they the that it. That's the cost for health care would skyrocket and the fact the opposite is true they say they've been a massive shift to part time jobs at the evidence doesn't support that. They say -- tens of millions will lose their insurance. But in fact everybody in this country's -- have access to health insurance. Because they won't be discriminated against they said that they would explode the deficit. And yet all the reputable organizations like the Congressional Budget Office. Have told us that it's gonna save us under billion dollars over ten years. So we've had a litany of objections from the Republicans. About the Affordable Care Act. Which is driven them to such a frenzy. They even closed the government. So now we have -- for the committee. And -- being asked I suppose later you'll be asked about the website but let me pursue this question about. Individuals who have gotten notices. That. Their product have their individual insurance policies canceled. They'll be able to get another plan won't think. Actually it's the law that they must get another planned continuous coverage as part of -- law. So I -- If our wasn't the case in the past so the Affordable Care Act said we're gonna end the worst abuses of insurance companies we're gonna create. Consumer protections in the marketplace. That they will be able to buy a policy even that they didn't stick in the past that women won't be charged more than Mitt. That we're not at all insurance companies deny coverage. Because of preexisting conditions -- we're not gonna let them put these lifetime caps and they'll be an essential benefit package so you're not just buying some things. And not having other things covered you're gonna have the minimum that everybody should have prescription drugs mental health coverage doctors at hospitals. I -- -- these important consumer protections. Well I would say -- mr. Waxman they're very important as a former insurance commissioner I can tell you that the individual market. In Kansas and anywhere in the country has never had consumer protections people are on their own. They can be locked out priced out dumped out and that happened each and every day. So this will finally provide the kind of protections that we all enjoy in our health care plans as part of a group as part of plan that has agreement. Pre negotiated benefits we enjoy that kind of health security and individuals in that. Buying insurance on their own farm families entrepreneurs mom and pop. Shops young adults have never had that kind of -- security. Another -- let's take a break here you've heard the opening salvo what's -- listening to is live coverage. Of the house energy and commerce committee HHS secretary Kathleen Sebelius testifying. But four of the members of congress they're. What do you think so far now on the other side of the news here I'm gonna have time to take about three phone calls so if you want to be one of the first three people. Just to share what -- their perception of what you've heard as a big you know so far this half hour. Jump on board the phones right now we'll take your calls coming out of the bottom of the hour news the Eagles advantage talk like numbers right now. Greenville 2329673. That's 232 WORD. Spartanburg. 5749673. 574. WORG. And if you wanna text me something about this that's fine. WORD text line number is 71307. My first impression. I am I gotta tell you Henry Waxman is proof. That the foreign. I mean. How does he get away with saying things that are just what -- when Democrats do that. It's just amazing to me but did you know that would notice when Sebelius said yes some people are gonna you know get their insurance. Canceled but -- are required by law to get another plan. Yeah you can include everything for everybody but you know what would you do that. It cost a lot more. That's a way of business operates they based it on -- cost them cooperate. So if you wanna be one of the first three called right now bottom of the hour news coming up we'll get your phone calls right after the update it's 928. You're listening to the -- castle show live and local. WORD 1063. News talk in sports. This is that Russ -- -- Broward and charge my batteries -- wow 93525. Away from ten or what. I was monitoring. Obviously throughout that whole long -- terrible. And Marsha Blackburn the -- Republican from Tennessee just really. Took it to Kathleen severe oh yes. And it was just amazing not only did she get a name on who was responsible. For the sudden debacle of a web site. Joseph should -- Kathleen Sebelius to admit. So far they spent a 174. Million dollars. On the web site and it still doesn't work they have somebody in the back of the chamber while she was testifying. Actually trying to logon. To healthcare dot -- in real time. And it's the old thoughts at work and 174 million and counting and is still doesn't work. And you should losing the look on a civilian uses of face that was a good -- But -- Marsha Blackburn in the Republican from Tennessee she's being questioned now by John dingle Democrat from Michigan. We'll get back to do so live coverage. Kathleen Sebelius is testimony before the house energy and commerce committee in a moment but as promised -- to three quick calls I'm Robert power you. We ought to be real -- and plastic stick it -- -- outcome. They -- sixteen million. Brilliant color got some really -- but it they can -- sixteen million caught in Spain. In a month and NSA come they can't -- not cases in Connecticut with regards to kindergarten -- it's good. Anyway about about should be used to question number one I'm. How many -- to get to right when that before the audacity been out resemble the original law. And that this scripture the second thing is. I consider shopping like you do Russ says to -- -- -- -- -- -- -- sort wherever how are there any shopping at all when you're just going to the government store. Well in these exchanges and you're supposed to be able to shopping compare and find out how much of free money you're gonna get supposedly. There was subsidy and of course you can't even do that and -- the other real story about this. The handful of people who think their signed up may not actually be signed up because the insurance companies say. They're they're given a false information I mean this thing is ripe for fraud to so loved she can -- apparel day and if she didn't just say by the way. That she is responsible hold her accountable. So she's she's defiant in all of this and of course if we really wanted to hold somebody accountable then now -- she would be fired. I mean it's just as simple as that because. I don't care what ideology -- side of the aisle you come from this thing has been an absolute debacle all right Jack in Greer quickly hijack. Good morning it would. Yes but I'm up almost into this thing in and all the all the representatives -- -- do -- time that they Kathleen Sebelius won the democratic. Cronies for the sentence come to a period or you have to do -- say at what cost I'm telling you it's so stupid. They did this thing is it is a debacle always lawyers and I'm sorry but women the other public discrimination while some great. Women get breast cancer or -- land. Women have hysterectomies. More than men and women have pregnancies more than -- and I I just out on the 25 year old. Kids what do I need maternity coverage for. This stuff -- suspicious way African hole. It is not your point is well taken you can come up with this grandiose plan and you come -- we utopia. But again what does what does -- gonna cost you and more importantly than Jack -- pay for it. You. -- to go to court and by go by the finest arm known to men. And it's great it's marvelous it's incredible. But it would cost wasn't gonna cost you and and if you can't afford it why would you think that somebody else can afford it for you. No I don't know I -- stop for the people. Or struggling economy -- struggling with it yeah well I thought accepting I know people love this but when you start accepting us and I have a lot of pre existing conditions. But I I figured it out and that's why I group coverage your work. It's a major -- but do it but if you start including everybody and and you they don't even have to buy insurance until they get sick. I'm sorry you put a mall in a pool you look at what it cost human health care and your premiums obviously are gonna go up. -- carried -- Jack thank you so much right let me get to tune in Lawrence and we'll -- back to the hearing hi Tim. Hey. Rush how Linda. -- vote -- nowadays I mean Obama anti can be pretty blunt to a new level of -- is that the American civic group. I think it's hard it is I don't know for I mean don't you can't expect should have to go Obama is lying just -- -- normally go guys. Well I think is a new normal I think they've been -- for quite awhile. There was nick Sheridan did not. Know their is a new generation now they're. And I don't know what you think about Ted Cruz Mike Lee Mike -- is still a big -- speech for a parent company and the young. That this country has a living God's mercy is the forum for all of this to continued to be revealed and people to admit. That common sense in conservatism will save genuine conservatism. Will save this country. -- back to the hearing. Civilians being questioned by representative Joseph Barton of Texas here. Absolutely committed to protecting the privacy of the American public and we have asked them to remove that statement it is there an air it. Needs to be taken down and we should be held accountable for protecting privacy its. Thank you madam secretary -- I sincerely appreciate that and I'm sure the American people. Due to my last question -- it's really -- comment I've introduced HR 3348. Which says let's make this system voluntary for the first year since we're having so many problems and let the American people decide. What that means is if people choose not to participate they would not be charged -- penalty for non participation. Would you support such a a reasonable. Approach to this while we work out the problems in the system. Those that are out there -- lots of honest ailments time is expired thank you manage their killer recognize Yemen from New Jersey mr. Paul. Thank you mr. chairman. I know we're not in Kansas but I do believe increasingly were in -- because of what I see yourself. This Wizard of -- comment on my colleague from a Texas I think is particularly. Apropos given what. We hear on the other side of the -- I don't know how you keep your cool madam secretary you know with this continuous effort on the part of the GOP to sabotage the CA to scare people. And bring up red -- and I think that this privacy issue is another -- red Herring and I mean Nancy question about that but before that. I just wanted to say this whole idea of this being brought up today that somehow. You know. Policies are being canceled and people don't have all turns this is another red Herring. You know what I think my colleagues on the other side forget is that this is not socialized medicine this is in fact private insurance in a competitive market. And if I'm an insurance company and all of a sudden everyone else the senate selling a better policy -- better benefits at a lower price. I can't continue to sell a lousy skeletal policy that doesn't provide benefits and cost more because I'll be out of the market. And so that's what's happening here you know insurance companies are canceling a lousy policies with high prices because they can't compete. And that's what's gonna happen when you have a private insurance market which is what we have here we don't have a government controlled system. We have private markets they just want to make that point but I have to drill down on what mr. Barton said here you know before reform the individual insurance market was dysfunctional. Premiums would shoot up if people got sick -- coverage could be canceled if they had a preexisting condition and they did not have secure quality coverage. I've heard my Republican colleagues say the patient health information will be at risk in this application -- Process and this is flat out false infect the ASEAN makes the giant leap forward for protecting health information. By taking it completely out of the insurance application process by banning discrimination based on preexisting conditions. Mr. Barton again is you know raised in this red Herring just like the canceling said of insurance. By talking about privacy but madam secretary prior to the ASEAN when people applied prince insurance coverage. Did insurers make them provide a long detailed invasive medical history. But now because the law bans discrimination based on preexisting conditions individuals will not have to provide this information in their applications. So regardless of this close. Please comment on the privacy issue -- irrelevant. Obama's -- in the past. Any individual American who was in I am an employer based coverage in government coverage like the ones we enjoy a in. Medicare in Medicaid in the VA a whole variety of plans that's about 95% of insured Americans. Had no medical underwriting and group protections had consumer protections for people. Who -- outside that consumer protected space where individuals buying their own coverage in an individual market. Medical underwriting demanding health records and off and going through extensive doctor interviews and getting health records was a standard for that market. Pricing could vary widely depending on gender depending on health condition people could be denied coverage and more frequently. That's the market that is currently. Being reformed with consumer protections if a person had a policy in place in march of 2010 like that policy in the insurance company made no changes. To disadvantage the consumer those policies are in place you keep your plan you like it and that goes on. For the people who though had a medically underwritten policy we're paying more than their neighbor because they happened to be female. I could not get their health condition for Lauren fix tip. Written into and and and they will have a new day in a very competitive market 25% the insurers. Our brand into the market and they are offering competitive plants -- RA itself. We'll -- that take another quick break when we come back. Some of the text messages including -- from some who listen to this they say wants them. It makes them to wanna change the station or shoot their radio. We'll get to all of those when we get back 946. Now. Tirade if you just two and again we are fulfilling a promise. That we actually keep -- like Barack Obama. When we started this new format back in January promised one of our commitment was to cover news as it happens. In other words you don't have to wait for somebody to edited down an offer sound bytes and we've done that. And we're doing you -- again today Kathleen civilians testifying right now alive. Before the house energy and commerce committee -- of course the DH HS secretary. On the hot seat Lotta people calling for resignation. After what can only be described as this debacle of the obamacare launch. So this is a big day -- and folks are being critical but let me just explain this I think what -- -- doing today. I think these hearings. Are the most important hearings we've had since Watergate. So you're welcome to agree or disagree some of the comments on the text line. -- if you don't stop -- Henry Waxman I'm gonna shoot my radio. -- is -- Waxman asking a question or running for office again what a joke all of Washington is -- cut that line SOB all. -- What ever happened -- so help me god when they're taking the oath I noticed that too. -- anything short of ending the ACA and the IRS is not good enough. Lorraine. I don't need to listen to this corrupt -- spew. Talking points and -- let alone that -- Waxman telling lies and half truths. Russ the entire time Sebelius is talking I'm picturing Leslie -- deals that. -- an airplane talking about the pilots. Being in good held at his nose is getting longer and longer my goodness there's anybody in Washington even know how to speak without lying. -- I'm sorry. But to listen to the same BS they've been shoveling makes me wanna change the station well you're welcome. -- I would like to for you to turn off the garbage from Washington. And start talking about sports for each. -- Rosie obamacare website crashed just disabilities -- or turn it -- to the American people yet I I did that's exactly right. -- -- who -- did the government ever produce a product. Are they now in a competitive business who would compete with the government screaming and the TV -- already. Let's see rush she says she's responsible meaning some serious but she just blamed. Verizon. Ross who's gonna ask them about people like me whose company he's dropping them from the group plan because were over 65. Now we have to get individual policies due to obamacare. That comes from Earl Ross. There are 313 thousand excuse me three and thirteen 1000914. And forty people in the United States. Why go what do we just give them two million dollars to each man and woman and child. For health insurance co pays for Christians instead of spending millions of dollars on just the web site I'm sure we'd come out ahead in the long run. -- communism has been legislated in the law IE healthcare dot gov where you're in a world of Schumer. Russ represented to dingle -- fashioned his argument exactly the same way. They government -- condemned the banks in the housing crisis dingle. Is condemning the insurance companies for dropping people. Not even saying that the government forced the insurance and industry to only offer a specific insurance plan just like the government force banks to give loans to poor people. Then condemned banks for predatory lending. As John -- spot on. -- why is it that the Republican committee members are just sitting there and allowing the Democrats in the committee to slander them and call them names. Republicans are losing their base more and more every day because they won't fight back they might be taking the high road. But getting nowhere doing that. Are just some of the text messages keep on coming at 954. Now you're listening to the -- castle show. It didn't mislead the public. And -- to find -- -- -- let me let me finish on this debate the other transparency issue. If someone a constituent of mine or someone in this country has strongly held pro life views. -- here we go can you commit to us to make sure that the federal exchanges that offer that is clearly identified. And so people can understand if they're gonna buy a policy that has abortion coverage or not. Because right now you can not make that determination. -- -- I don't know I I know exactly -- issue you're talking about Iowa check and make sure is that that is clearly identify a plea hearing. Here's our requests can you provide. For the committee. -- list of insurers and a federal exchange. Who. I do not offer as part of their package abortion coverage. I think we can do that -- you are advanced. John -- -- she's a Republican from Illinois. Taken into Kathleen Sebelius -- com we'll take a break for the top of the hour news you're listening to WORD 1063.