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Making parades political; Pickens County sheriff refuses to lower flags for Nelson Mandela

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This is the rust castle show. Powered and charge my batteries specialists. And I -- was. Rain still coming down it is cold out there. Like Christmas definite at least we're not yet not all that snow and ice. Tell your watch. Be careful out there good listeners are hard to find Merry Christmas did you win yours folks. As we head toward the final couple weeks before the big day the New Year's will be here. We'll do our best to get you there eagles' advantage to talk lines now totally free and clear. Whatever you like to talk about we've already talked about a lot of local things going on in the first couple of hours controversy at some area Christmas parades. We got the sheriff. Pickens County. Refusing. To lower the flag and put it at half staff. For Nelson Mandela but don't feel limited by any of that whatever's on your mind is fine. In Greek village 2329673. In Spartanburg. It's 5749673. Another way to think of that. -- 232 WORD. Spartanburg 574. WORD. Does it matter where you are. If you want a text this tissues that WORD text line number that 171307. -- no really. I think I've had wanted. One blister. Who. Thinks that what they -- -- Pickens -- did. Was brawl. Only one. People supporting -- Clark. -- -- Ordered the flag. To go. Back to full. Staff I guess you would say yesterday. After this president. Had ordered called for all flags and the White House public buildings grounds military posts. Naval stations and naval vessels. To remain lowered through some -- tonight. Out of respect for Nelson Mandela but about this a -- to be on this -- a bipartisan congressional delegation. On their way to South Africa to pay their respects. 24 congressmen led by GOP representative Aaron. Shock SCH OCK. Who said NAE statement yesterday. That he will be for ever inspired. By Mandela's quote forgiveness. Leadership and class. I've always had great respect. For former president Mandela he told fox. A personal sacrifices he made in order to achieve what was right for the people South Africa is something I carry with me every day. I am humbled to be leading so many of my colleagues in tribute. To Nelson Mandela John Boehner said yesterday he's grateful to -- shock. For leading this delegation. 23 house members one senator. Republican Ted Cruz all the congressman. Going to this besides crews and shock are Democrats. And then you got to borrow my own we got Clinton you've got to Bush's. All headed to South Africa. But most of the members of congress are are Democrats so. About this now last week when we talked about the death of Nelson Mandela. I would just inundated -- to rush you've got to take some time. And now that a few days have passed maybe this is a more appropriate time to talk about. What Mandela was really OK that's fine. Start out with the Washington Post. Not exactly a conservative. Publication. In this was out on Saturday. Written by Caitlin -- Because I think a lot of folks have forgotten is sort of maybe -- knew it. Her piece -- is entitled why Nelson Mandela. Was on a terrorism watch list until 2008. And here's part of what she writes. Nelson Mandela is being remembered across the world and political spectrum. For his -- heroic lifelong battle against apart tied an injustice. In South Africa -- -- all the accolades being thrown around. It's easy to forget. That the United States in particular. Has and always have a friendly relationship with Mandela and that in fact. As latest 2008 the Nobel Prize winner and former president. Was still. On the US terrorism. Watch list. I know some folks up there just a double take because he did notice. Usher -- sticking point was in Mandela's case ideological. In the mid eighties as activists in South Africa and around the world. Began to agitate in earnest for a Mandela's release. The Reagan administration. Still -- communism as one of its primary enemies. And defeating communism. As one of its four most foreign policy goals that she writes complicated the administration's take on South Africa. The apartheid regime it turns out had supported the US during the Cold War and it worked closely with both the Reagan and Nixon administration's. To limit Soviet influence in the region. As sound Sam Kleiner chronicled in foreign policy last July meanwhile. The eight in C stands for the African national committee. Which Mandela chaired. Was peppered with members of the east South African Communist Party. Even worse in the eyes of the Reagan administration. Was the ANC's apparent friendliness towards Moscow. The ANC Secretary General Alfred and so. Warm greetings. To the Soviet Communist Party congress in 1986. That was enough to inspire Reagan to accuse. The ANC of encouraging communism. In a 1986 policy speech and a rule. This South Africa had no obligation. To negotiate with a group then on quote creating a Communist state. Other Reagan administration was alone. Wasn't alone in this -- either Margaret Thatcher's conservative regime in Britain shared Reagan's quote constructive engagement. Anti sanctions views regarding South Africa. It probably helped that the UK like the US was a major south African trade partner years later. Former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney. Would write a memoir that detailed his attempts to persuade Thatcher and Reagan. To take some kind of action in South Africa all attempts sometimes famously failed. Tragically for South Africa the cloud of communism prevented the US from acting for several years. While the Reagan administration's official goal was to end apart tied. And -- consistently called for South Africa to free Mandela the US dragged its feet on the crucial issue of economic sanctions. What a UN resolution came up that criticized apart -- both the US and Britain pushed through amendments to weaken it. Reagan administration also followed South Africa's lead on characterizing the ANC. Naming -- a terrorist group in the seventies. And forcing Mandela to get special State Department clearance to enter the United States in 2008. Condoleezza Rice -- at the time quote it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter. Eventually of course the US did pass economic sanctions. Which are widely credited for helping topple at least in part the apartheid regime. Mandela went on to praised Reagan as well as President Bush and Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev. For their role in ending -- but it was Mandela's outspoken wife -- Who probably best expressed the frayed relationship. Between the two world leaders and for a time in the eighties between the anti apartheid movement and the United States in 1986. After of her home was firebombed and burned down the Reagan administration offered her 101000 dollars. To rebuild it. And she refused. Quote. This wire people are angry at the Reagan and Thatcher administration in particular Winnie Mandela said. They continued to condone the activities of the south African government if they had any feeling for the downtrodden and oppressed majority of our country. They would in their policy and gentle persuasion. It appears their interest in this country far outweighs. Their so called abhorrence. Of -- So did you know before -- told you that. -- Nelson Mandela. Was all on the US terrorism watch list all the way up in 2008 and George W. Bush of course is the one that ended it. Interestingly enough. The other opinion out there that sort of sums it all up in their many things being written about as many different sources I have chosen. A piece by Joseph -- at world net daily. Entitled don't mourn for Mandela so tell me what you think about this. He says the whole world pretty much is mourning for Nelson Mandela. But most are not mourning for the real Mandela they are in fact mourning for the myth of Mandela. He was not Martin Luther King Jr. he was not Gandhi. And he was certainly not George Washington as Barack Obama calling it. He was a committed member of the South African Communist Party he was a leader of the revolutionary African National Congress the ANC. Which he helped to radicalize into an organization sworn to armed violent attacks may -- you say but -- He was fighting against the evil of apartheid yes that is true. Apart -- was and it are durable evil and unjustifiable system. But so he says is the system Mandela's revolution brought about. One in which anti white racism is so strong today. That a prominent genocide watchdog group has labeled the current situation. A precursor. To be deliberate systematic elimination of the race. In other words -- rights. The world has been sold a bill of goods about Nelson Mandela he wasn't the saintly character portrayed by Morgan Freeman. He wasn't someone fighting for racial equality he was the leader of a violent Communist revolution that is nearly succeeded in all of its grisly horror. But he says don't believe me. He writes I've never been to South Africa not during a -- tied -- -- after instead listen to Sonia Roscoe. She was an early supporter of Mandela and worked in his administration. Quote. After about six years I realized something serious is wrong the Communist elements are taking over it's not what we were promised. In to quote. What did she see the rest of the world missed here's another quote. As a business owner I can get 25 years in jail time if I do not in if I do in ploy a white person for instance she said. It is totally ridiculous. You can not have imagined. That affirmative action could've gone so far in quote. Joseph -- today in South Africa's white population of 4000001. Million live in utter poverty. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Roscoe describes routine violent racist atrocities. Of almost unimaginable proportions. Kidnap murders home invasions -- gang rapes she explained quote it's pain it's torture. Even children -- youngest two months old get burned with hot water get wrapped in newspaper and -- in quote. In the case of one family she described a black mob breaking into a home. Waiting for the white family to get home then ripping the mother in front of the father and son to see. Then after killing the mother they killed the father and son by plunging them into boiling water. She said quote. There's no easy way of saying exactly how these people are tortured the standard would be a hot iron electric iron boiling water. And these are carried on for hours in quote. -- -- -- Says you will read many stories describing Mandela as a quote political prisoner in fact he served 27 years in prison. For 23 specific acts of sabotage. And attempting to overthrow the government. He concludes it was only a year ago that some of the international press began to report the truth about Mandela for the first time. Last December. The London telegraph reported that indeed the record showed Mandela was not only a member. Of the South African Communist Party he held a senior rank. By the way Mandela was offered his freedom while incarcerated many times. Only had to do was renounce terrorism. He wouldn't do it. Of course Joseph -- concludes it's fashionable to forget all about this now Nelson Mandela is dead. He is being proclaimed a saint all over the world. Nevertheless. These inconvenient truths need to be stated by someone. Because the Mandela mythology is as dangerous as the terror he and his followers perpetrated. On so many innocent victims white. And black. The words of Joseph Ferrero world net daily dot com don't more written for Nelson Mandela. So. You can tell me what you think. On -- or any other topic all right let's get a couple calls in Jeff is in rebuild hi Jeff. -- old -- hey you got there a lot. I brought it is generally not very good teacher can't share over the rights of disrespect Brett Nelson Mandela remembered by the Florida. I to have reception all the beer -- former editor of the moment it was a big deal about what he shouldn't. -- And our rights rule. Let's say when Margaret Thatcher did pass away and Obama didn't order them flown at half staff. Do you think they should have been or not been. Don't you definitely remember the relationship we that would give. Almost kind of a constant question I really don't bring him. -- is if that is a toss up question Obama chose to honor Mandela. It did Obama do something wrong. If you do it as you said if it is a toss up question I guess should the president have that prerogative. Well get used to do this type of religion do for the better command are. Yeah and we've done this in the past David for the poll should we fly the flag at half staff for the Pope. When a Pope dies we did back in 06. Well there are pretty well I think it should be reserved only for America only for Americans OK okay sir thank you -- Correct I Bob's biggest Ohio Bob. This morning. I agree I agree we the last hour and insure Clark. To be reserved only for Americans insured car. Good up to -- that is throughout to support and defend the constitution and I salute and applaud him for that. Should the next. Through about -- no -- yet. And Larry excuse me mayor -- well yeah. I think if you look into this you'll find that Larry Martin is behind pushing common core. In. -- county and throughout the state. Is what it is the future you probably already know that and so you're going to push that. And my question to bring her back well as well to be joined the Communist Party since that's what this is all about the Communist Party out of Clemson. The the radicals out there they're the ones were pushing all this stuff and that is the problem in him. We sure why we're on where where where what what about the pyramid the Communist Party out of Clemson. Right -- explain what what what are you talking about. I would bet I'm reading where they were discussed or. Agenda 21 here. In -- Pickens County. At the -- -- -- to start -- all the government. Office buildings. And spirits -- are contingents from Clemson. The professors and stuff there. They were all in support of agenda 21. Absolutely not my cult group Communists. At that meeting. And there appears. -- Folks from -- -- in candidate but column Communist. And so you know I polls beta stage and you know we keep your support. A 121. Or Communist. If you support. Anything contrary. All right let's bring -- back full circle -- what does the as you put in the Communist agenda 21 supporting. Grouping Clemson that you you were at their meeting what does that have to do tied back to. The stock common core folks being told they couldn't care there's signs in the easily Christmas parade what does one have to do with the other. It's it's all part of the Communist agenda -- no they're. What should explain it to people deserve people on the radio go on what she's got talking about. There are people listening out there right now so this is your opportunity to tie it all together. -- -- -- -- directly due. -- did pretty. Be agenda. Is mind control in the form of indoctrination. -- out of out of the Communist Party or how the Communist -- that. If it's all I didn't everything that's going on today. You're all tied in with the Communist agenda you know we yep the so called. President. The -- Communist. Who supporting another Communist from another country by ordering that flags. This is all. About. -- passed down dumbing it down whatever you wanna call it. So that we will all sport. The Communist agenda whether we receive. Funding. Oracle -- when trying to exercise our first amendment rights guaranteed to work under. Under the constitution. -- Mayor Bagwell and the police department are. Unaware of all these things. In musically. They're paying or part of the problem they are supporting the Communist agenda whether it be. All realize that -- not gotcha aren't Bob thank you. I just got this email -- you have to update people. When listening I've been listening now for over twenty minutes and still do not know what the signs say -- -- easily then everybody's talking about our. The group the group. Had signs that simply said stop common core. Stop common -- And they were told by a person who identified himself as being with the city of Beasley first all oval. That they couldn't be in the -- even though they were there and ready to go. And then when they started videotaping had not played the audio several times am I gonna play it again he says okay fine I'll go get the police chief. Now the police chief didn't incumbent an officer with the easily police did come. And he was very nice he told the people. You know you guys look great in your shirts just you know if you would just don't carry the side you can be in the parade. Which the group decided it would be because there were children their children were excited ago. And they did an out of you know. Love and respect for the children but the group did agree. The grudgingly not to carry their stop common core science. So maybe that'll did you enough anyway comments welcome on this or anything else 1026 now. This is the rust castle show. -- and charge my batteries specialists. All right and some of the feedback on what we've talked about so. Far in this morning. The W award defects line 71307. Runs and I saw Lindsey Graham in the -- Christmas parade this year. 01 year in little BMW convertible. Driven by very handsome very young man. -- Russ personally I'm surprised at the American humanist it's didn't -- the easily city government and try to get an injunction. Against their public display. Of christianity. -- if you listened carefully to the company Easley he didn't demand compliance. He simply asked them not to carry the signs. Yet but -- the inference was really really clear there if if they had insisted. On carrying their signs. I mean they've been challenged him signed the law that says we can't. I I think we would have gone to the next step I don't know what that would be Ross thank you for helping John out rains. And Jim target about this easily parade no listen it's what we do. -- on a similar note to the lowering of the flag issue in Pickens County. My daughter's high school chorus perform Christmas carols over the weekend at this Disney World. We performed with the Disney chorus and a -- Whoopi Goldberg was part of the performance. And actually read the Christmas story at the end of her part. -- told the audience that she had only met one prince of peace and that Nelson Mandela. Was it. Disgraceful. Rush question are the listeners that are upset -- easily are they happy. They Greenville allowed and obamacare display. Common sense says that they should be you know. It's interesting Chris that you bring that up. I don't think that we've had one call. Now I've had several emails. I don't think we had one call. About the obamacare float in the -- Christmas -- for a which makes me wonder. Does -- has any policy about not allowing anything political I honestly. Don't know -- will even happen. To the pick and sheriff for refusing to lower the flag I doubt it. I I think this -- and there's no doubt about this. Ric Clark in Pickens County. Overwhelmingly. From what I can tell from feedback from this audience. Overwhelmingly people think that he did the right thing. Part of a -- -- is you know the flag being low lowered for somebody like Nelson Mandela. 'cause the prevailing opinion on this is that. This is what do audiences saying that it should only be lower. For Americans. For a US citizens. Not for foreign leaders. But I think another part of this. Is what Ric Clark Fisher Pickens County did he define Obama. I didn't say that. But that's an essence why what he did so popular. I mean you could make the case I mean it is the truth that the sheriffs of Pickens County said I don't I don't recognize. Your stinking order Mr. President. I mean that's why. People I think are overwhelmed they. On his side but you you you tell me what you think and did anybody. Listen to the radio right now actually see the obamacare navigator float. In the Greenville first Christmas break people worst -- pitchers over the weekend. Maybe you just missed it or maybe you just didn't think there was anything wrong with that. I think the texture is right if you're gonna have one in Greenville. And you're upset about that than what what is your position. On this situation and easily. In other words you would think it shouldn't be political or you think that political or. You know. Advocacy groups should be allowed to do it I -- what you think. Rushed the sheriff in Pickens County is right. Because Obama can only order. This on federal property. -- let's not forget. The ANC in South Africa. Used car bombs against civilian targets to effect change. -- civil -- pays his respects in South Africa than those respects are worthless. Fly flags at half staff for soldiers. Not South Africa. -- I was born and raised in Pickens. -- went from Clemson we commonly referred to Clemson as the people's republic of Clemson comes from Alvin didn't pickets. -- no I might believe -- no signs I'm twenty year military bad. With the US. And we the people even tattooed on our hands. So I believe in freedom more than soft. But if we let one in these parades then do we have to let all. Like the atheists and even the west Borough Baptist jerks. I wanna see senate and the Christmas parade not a bunch of signs. -- I say flag should be lowered for America. For Americans. Only. -- to Everett in Spartanburg. -- -- Well regulated nor a fun thing to. -- actor Matt Nelson Mandela in relation prison. And he was elected president of India -- near a devout Communist. And -- didn't take over all and start our radiation and everything itself perhaps spirit. And now they have the worst education system in the world. See -- worst education you mean worse than ours. More -- -- -- -- I've never been to South Africa ever and I I was ambition dish well I'm integration with yeah -- -- I don't know. But I know it was a well Communist he apparently from everything doubles certainly we thought he was when a matter of fact. The US. As I just shared via the Washington Post. But -- Nelson Mandela was on our terrorism watch list until 2008. When George W. Bush took him off the list based after the special waiver for him to come in this country. Well you know -- regularly as well as we are very worried -- what we -- our great nation Reagan even vetoed. You know. It's the efforts to to put the squeeze on South Africa. Are targeted to you know not be top -- South Africa Reagan what we wanted to be tough on South Africa in my inaugural on TV talking about it yesterday. Or roads Laporte wrestler is that. -- we've got a congressional delegation that where we got to fly everybody over there right to worship what worship distraught here we are on the -- with a Muslim Brotherhood. I mean these people over here and -- -- Pedro a deal would come missile. They're trying to. Well either that or. You know most of the delegation go longer Democrats I think there's only two Republicans one of them being senator Ted Cruz. And they believe that connection you could make there is that they -- they are Communists and they like Communist. Exactly -- where Enrique Cruz. About it -- jailed while housing there. You'd have to ask him -- I thought that was an odd name. To be on the list. I guess the short answer off top I have would be you know Ted Cruz I think there's no doubt is running for president. Exactly. Accurate Ari then do it. City. Folks listen I've never professed to have all the answers to everything -- under sharing with you some of the feedback that we've been getting. Last we keep out of respect on this program we talked about the death of Nelson Mandela. Then over the weekend this thing broke with a Pickens County sheriff. This morning. All kinds of things being written about Nelson Mandela and his background I mean it is what it is he was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. So anyway. What every like say about this is fine now Ross don't forget that Mandela invented the act of necklacing. Which involves covering and filling a tire and gasoline putting around someone's neck and lighting it on fire says the text message. -- these huge difference in these two parades. In -- the Obama care float paid for with tax dollars. In Pickens County the common core protest. Privately funded. -- only the left. Can -- of the dirt on the founding fathers of America. And white wash Mandela's Communist past. Are you don't try to read this and I think it's in short Jim Ross leave black man. Has never had the right. To defend anything. Without being a militants. Funny those who labeled them an awful mad if you reversed the table on them I think that's what that says. Russ don't forget the Mandela -- I read about. This is John I want -- I read about Mandela and his organization. The African National Congress. Where can I get some gasoline soaked tires to use as necklaces. Russ I'm going to watch the Mandela funeral on TV maybe I can catch the F 22 fly over that we didn't get on Saturday for Pearl Harbor day. Are keeping coming jump on board if you got something to say on any topic they've phone lines really slow on this Monday. So -- advantage talk lines as what we call them -- 2329673. Spartanburg 574. 96731045. Converse now when -- and travelers rest and I keep. Hey -- -- you know what can I hope you aren't. Yeah I just wonder side that I don't think we have great debate over there where they -- I don't understand it perhaps that's a follow inquire. I need a -- they put a huge -- did show up earlier start -- now -- -- I like they did pat them out as gray lady you're gonna do it. -- make it ordered it to match the -- I don't think. But it is it up to a city official within and big USA blue note that at least ambiguous. Policy. I mean should they be the ones to tell somebody that can't be a parade. And we have people hologram that they can't based anger noxious. Yet but we fight against it for example. Prayer in schools or -- the -- the battle on Christmas. I mean -- I wouldn't care one way or another -- -- -- that Eric Wright you know our NATO it bothered me here you know enough or get the message probably let you know I have. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well that's true except what bothers me. Its first -- if you're gonna have this policy put it put it clearly in the application. Don't don't let somebody pay the money and fill out the application. In the getting embarrassed. My political -- -- -- must be approved by council for -- ahead of time. There are -- veteran saint anger -- media and we'll. Right I mean I mean seriously good this last remark look these are tax paid is that tax Payer paid for streets. And I don't know why a city can just make it up on the spot. And and then you know use the power of a policeman. Two I tell a bunch of little kids and and and adults well that's political you're not allowed to carry those sites. I don't -- all over America and then turnaround yeah but we talk about it all over America. I mean we've got to judge. I don't do this story and as we've got to judging Colorado. Ordering a baker. That they have to make a wedding cake for gay couple. And he won't what -- earlier yeah what does. And by the way the adults involved in this parades that they would have considered that but that they had a bunch of little kids there with -- And they'll let you know you're gonna spend a brief press well what the biker you know I guess when you sang out -- would like -- This is the rust castle show. Powered and charge my batteries specialists. And I -- was. Rain still coming down it is cold out there. Like Christmas definite at least we're not yet not all that snow and ice. Tell your watch. Be careful out there good listeners are hard to find Merry Christmas did you win yours folks. As we head toward the final couple weeks before the big day the New Year's will be here. We'll do our best to get you there eagles' advantage to talk lines now totally free and clear. Whatever you like to talk about we've already talked about a lot of local things going on in the first couple of hours controversy at some area Christmas parades. We got the sheriff. Pickens County. Refusing. To lower the flag and put it at half staff. For Nelson Mandela but don't feel limited by any of that whatever's on your mind is fine. In Greek village 2329673. In Spartanburg. It's 5749673. Another way to think of that. -- 232 WORD. Spartanburg 574. WORD. Does it matter where you are. If you want a text this tissues that WORD text line number that 171307. -- no really. I think I've had wanted. One blister. Who. Thinks that what they -- -- Pickens -- did. Was brawl. Only one. People supporting -- Clark. -- -- Ordered the flag. To go. Back to full. Staff I guess you would say yesterday. After this president. Had ordered called for all flags and the White House public buildings grounds military posts. Naval stations and naval vessels. To remain lowered through some -- tonight. Out of respect for Nelson Mandela but about this a -- to be on this -- a bipartisan congressional delegation. On their way to South Africa to pay their respects. 24 congressmen led by GOP representative Aaron. Shock SCH OCK. Who said NAE statement yesterday. That he will be for ever inspired. By Mandela's quote forgiveness. Leadership and class. I've always had great respect. For former president Mandela he told fox. A personal sacrifices he made in order to achieve what was right for the people South Africa is something I carry with me every day. I am humbled to be leading so many of my colleagues in tribute. To Nelson Mandela John Boehner said yesterday he's grateful to -- shock. For leading this delegation. 23 house members one senator. Republican Ted Cruz all the congressman. Going to this besides crews and shock are Democrats. And then you got to borrow my own we got Clinton you've got to Bush's. All headed to South Africa. But most of the members of congress are are Democrats so. About this now last week when we talked about the death of Nelson Mandela. I would just inundated -- to rush you've got to take some time. And now that a few days have passed maybe this is a more appropriate time to talk about. What Mandela was really OK that's fine. Start out with the Washington Post. Not exactly a conservative. Publication. In this was out on Saturday. Written by Caitlin -- Because I think a lot of folks have forgotten is sort of maybe -- knew it. Her piece -- is entitled why Nelson Mandela. Was on a terrorism watch list until 2008. And here's part of what she writes. Nelson Mandela is being remembered across the world and political spectrum. For his -- heroic lifelong battle against apart tied an injustice. In South Africa -- -- all the accolades being thrown around. It's easy to forget. That the United States in particular. Has and always have a friendly relationship with Mandela and that in fact. As latest 2008 the Nobel Prize winner and former president. Was still. On the US terrorism. Watch list. I know some folks up there just a double take because he did notice. Usher -- sticking point was in Mandela's case ideological. In the mid eighties as activists in South Africa and around the world. Began to agitate in earnest for a Mandela's release. The Reagan administration. Still -- communism as one of its primary enemies. And defeating communism. As one of its four most foreign policy goals that she writes complicated the administration's take on South Africa. The apartheid regime it turns out had supported the US during the Cold War and it worked closely with both the Reagan and Nixon administration's. To limit Soviet influence in the region. As sound Sam Kleiner chronicled in foreign policy last July meanwhile. The eight in C stands for the African national committee. Which Mandela chaired. Was peppered with members of the east South African Communist Party. Even worse in the eyes of the Reagan administration. Was the ANC's apparent friendliness towards Moscow. The ANC Secretary General Alfred and so. Warm greetings. To the Soviet Communist Party congress in 1986. That was enough to inspire Reagan to accuse. The ANC of encouraging communism. In a 1986 policy speech and a rule. This South Africa had no obligation. To negotiate with a group then on quote creating a Communist state. Other Reagan administration was alone. Wasn't alone in this -- either Margaret Thatcher's conservative regime in Britain shared Reagan's quote constructive engagement. Anti sanctions views regarding South Africa. It probably helped that the UK like the US was a major south African trade partner years later. Former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney. Would write a memoir that detailed his attempts to persuade Thatcher and Reagan. To take some kind of action in South Africa all attempts sometimes famously failed. Tragically for South Africa the cloud of communism prevented the US from acting for several years. While the Reagan administration's official goal was to end apart tied. And -- consistently called for South Africa to free Mandela the US dragged its feet on the crucial issue of economic sanctions. What a UN resolution came up that criticized apart -- both the US and Britain pushed through amendments to weaken it. Reagan administration also followed South Africa's lead on characterizing the ANC. Naming -- a terrorist group in the seventies. And forcing Mandela to get special State Department clearance to enter the United States in 2008. Condoleezza Rice -- at the time quote it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter. Eventually of course the US did pass economic sanctions. Which are widely credited for helping topple at least in part the apartheid regime. Mandela went on to praised Reagan as well as President Bush and Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev. For their role in ending -- but it was Mandela's outspoken wife -- Who probably best expressed the frayed relationship. Between the two world leaders and for a time in the eighties between the anti apartheid movement and the United States in 1986. After of her home was firebombed and burned down the Reagan administration offered her 101000 dollars. To rebuild it. And she refused. Quote. This wire people are angry at the Reagan and Thatcher administration in particular Winnie Mandela said. They continued to condone the activities of the south African government if they had any feeling for the downtrodden and oppressed majority of our country. They would in their policy and gentle persuasion. It appears their interest in this country far outweighs. Their so called abhorrence. Of -- So did you know before -- told you that. -- Nelson Mandela. Was all on the US terrorism watch list all the way up in 2008 and George W. Bush of course is the one that ended it. Interestingly enough. The other opinion out there that sort of sums it all up in their many things being written about as many different sources I have chosen. A piece by Joseph -- at world net daily. Entitled don't mourn for Mandela so tell me what you think about this. He says the whole world pretty much is mourning for Nelson Mandela. But most are not mourning for the real Mandela they are in fact mourning for the myth of Mandela. He was not Martin Luther King Jr. he was not Gandhi. And he was certainly not George Washington as Barack Obama calling it. He was a committed member of the South African Communist Party he was a leader of the revolutionary African National Congress the ANC. Which he helped to radicalize into an organization sworn to armed violent attacks may -- you say but -- He was fighting against the evil of apartheid yes that is true. Apart -- was and it are durable evil and unjustifiable system. But so he says is the system Mandela's revolution brought about. One in which anti white racism is so strong today. That a prominent genocide watchdog group has labeled the current situation. A precursor. To be deliberate systematic elimination of the race. In other words -- rights. The world has been sold a bill of goods about Nelson Mandela he wasn't the saintly character portrayed by Morgan Freeman. He wasn't someone fighting for racial equality he was the leader of a violent Communist revolution that is nearly succeeded in all of its grisly horror. But he says don't believe me. He writes I've never been to South Africa not during a -- tied -- -- after instead listen to Sonia Roscoe. She was an early supporter of Mandela and worked in his administration. Quote. After about six years I realized something serious is wrong the Communist elements are taking over it's not what we were promised. In to quote. What did she see the rest of the world missed here's another quote. As a business owner I can get 25 years in jail time if I do not in if I do in ploy a white person for instance she said. It is totally ridiculous. You can not have imagined. That affirmative action could've gone so far in quote. Joseph -- today in South Africa's white population of 4000001. Million live in utter poverty. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Roscoe describes routine violent racist atrocities. Of almost unimaginable proportions. Kidnap murders home invasions -- gang rapes she explained quote it's pain it's torture. Even children -- youngest two months old get burned with hot water get wrapped in newspaper and -- in quote. In the case of one family she described a black mob breaking into a home. Waiting for the white family to get home then ripping the mother in front of the father and son to see. Then after killing the mother they killed the father and son by plunging them into boiling water. She said quote. There's no easy way of saying exactly how these people are tortured the standard would be a hot iron electric iron boiling water. And these are carried on for hours in quote. -- -- -- Says you will read many stories describing Mandela as a quote political prisoner in fact he served 27 years in prison. For 23 specific acts of sabotage. And attempting to overthrow the government. He concludes it was only a year ago that some of the international press began to report the truth about Mandela for the first time. Last December. The London telegraph reported that indeed the record showed Mandela was not only a member. Of the South African Communist Party he held a senior rank. By the way Mandela was offered his freedom while incarcerated many times. Only had to do was renounce terrorism. He wouldn't do it. Of course Joseph -- concludes it's fashionable to forget all about this now Nelson Mandela is dead. He is being proclaimed a saint all over the world. Nevertheless. These inconvenient truths need to be stated by someone. Because the Mandela mythology is as dangerous as the terror he and his followers perpetrated. On so many innocent victims white. And black. The words of Joseph Ferrero world net daily dot com don't more written for Nelson Mandela. So. You can tell me what you think. On -- or any other topic all right let's get a couple calls in Jeff is in rebuild hi Jeff. -- old -- hey you got there a lot. I brought it is generally not very good teacher can't share over the rights of disrespect Brett Nelson Mandela remembered by the Florida. I to have reception all the beer -- former editor of the moment it was a big deal about what he shouldn't. -- And our rights rule. Let's say when Margaret Thatcher did pass away and Obama didn't order them flown at half staff. Do you think they should have been or not been. Don't you definitely remember the relationship we that would give. Almost kind of a constant question I really don't bring him. -- is if that is a toss up question Obama chose to honor Mandela. It did Obama do something wrong. If you do it as you said if it is a toss up question I guess should the president have that prerogative. Well get used to do this type of religion do for the better command are. Yeah and we've done this in the past David for the poll should we fly the flag at half staff for the Pope. When a Pope dies we did back in 06. Well there are pretty well I think it should be reserved only for America only for Americans OK okay sir thank you -- Correct I Bob's biggest Ohio Bob. This morning. I agree I agree we the last hour and insure Clark. To be reserved only for Americans insured car. Good up to -- that is throughout to support and defend the constitution and I salute and applaud him for that. Should the next. Through about -- no -- yet. And Larry excuse me mayor -- well yeah. I think if you look into this you'll find that Larry Martin is behind pushing common core. In. -- county and throughout the state. Is what it is the future you probably already know that and so you're going to push that. And my question to bring her back well as well to be joined the Communist Party since that's what this is all about the Communist Party out of Clemson. The the radicals out there they're the ones were pushing all this stuff and that is the problem in him. We sure why we're on where where where what what about the pyramid the Communist Party out of Clemson. Right -- explain what what what are you talking about. I would bet I'm reading where they were discussed or. Agenda 21 here. In -- Pickens County. At the -- -- -- to start -- all the government. Office buildings. And spirits -- are contingents from Clemson. The professors and stuff there. They were all in support of agenda 21. Absolutely not my cult group Communists. At that meeting. And there appears. -- Folks from -- -- in candidate but column Communist. And so you know I polls beta stage and you know we keep your support. A 121. Or Communist. If you support. Anything contrary. All right let's bring -- back full circle -- what does the as you put in the Communist agenda 21 supporting. Grouping Clemson that you you were at their meeting what does that have to do tied back to. The stock common core folks being told they couldn't care there's signs in the easily Christmas parade what does one have to do with the other. It's it's all part of the Communist agenda -- no they're. What should explain it to people deserve people on the radio go on what she's got talking about. There are people listening out there right now so this is your opportunity to tie it all together. -- -- -- -- directly due. -- did pretty. Be agenda. Is mind control in the form of indoctrination. -- out of out of the Communist Party or how the Communist -- that. If it's all I didn't everything that's going on today. You're all tied in with the Communist agenda you know we yep the so called. President. The -- Communist. Who supporting another Communist from another country by ordering that flags. This is all. About. -- passed down dumbing it down whatever you wanna call it. So that we will all sport. The Communist agenda whether we receive. Funding. Oracle -- when trying to exercise our first amendment rights guaranteed to work under. Under the constitution. -- Mayor Bagwell and the police department are. Unaware of all these things. In musically. They're paying or part of the problem they are supporting the Communist agenda whether it be. All realize that -- not gotcha aren't Bob thank you. I just got this email -- you have to update people. When listening I've been listening now for over twenty minutes and still do not know what the signs say -- -- easily then everybody's talking about our. The group the group. Had signs that simply said stop common core. Stop common -- And they were told by a person who identified himself as being with the city of Beasley first all oval. That they couldn't be in the -- even though they were there and ready to go. And then when they started videotaping had not played the audio several times am I gonna play it again he says okay fine I'll go get the police chief. Now the police chief didn't incumbent an officer with the easily police did come. And he was very nice he told the people. You know you guys look great in your shirts just you know if you would just don't carry the side you can be in the parade. Which the group decided it would be because there were children their children were excited ago. And they did an out of you know. Love and respect for the children but the group did agree. The grudgingly not to carry their stop common core science. So maybe that'll did you enough anyway comments welcome on this or anything else 1026 now. This is the rust castle show. -- and charge my batteries specialists. All right and some of the feedback on what we've talked about so. Far in this morning. The W award defects line 71307. Runs and I saw Lindsey Graham in the -- Christmas parade this year. 01 year in little BMW convertible. Driven by very handsome very young man. -- Russ personally I'm surprised at the American humanist it's didn't -- the easily city government and try to get an injunction. Against their public display. Of christianity. -- if you listened carefully to the company Easley he didn't demand compliance. He simply asked them not to carry the signs. Yet but -- the inference was really really clear there if if they had insisted. On carrying their signs. I mean they've been challenged him signed the law that says we can't. I I think we would have gone to the next step I don't know what that would be Ross thank you for helping John out rains. And Jim target about this easily parade no listen it's what we do. -- on a similar note to the lowering of the flag issue in Pickens County. My daughter's high school chorus perform Christmas carols over the weekend at this Disney World. We performed with the Disney chorus and a -- Whoopi Goldberg was part of the performance. And actually read the Christmas story at the end of her part. -- told the audience that she had only met one prince of peace and that Nelson Mandela. Was it. Disgraceful. Rush question are the listeners that are upset -- easily are they happy. They Greenville allowed and obamacare display. Common sense says that they should be you know. It's interesting Chris that you bring that up. I don't think that we've had one call. Now I've had several emails. I don't think we had one call. About the obamacare float in the -- Christmas -- for a which makes me wonder. Does -- has any policy about not allowing anything political I honestly. Don't know -- will even happen. To the pick and sheriff for refusing to lower the flag I doubt it. I I think this -- and there's no doubt about this. Ric Clark in Pickens County. Overwhelmingly. From what I can tell from feedback from this audience. Overwhelmingly people think that he did the right thing. Part of a -- -- is you know the flag being low lowered for somebody like Nelson Mandela. 'cause the prevailing opinion on this is that. This is what do audiences saying that it should only be lower. For Americans. For a US citizens. Not for foreign leaders. But I think another part of this. Is what Ric Clark Fisher Pickens County did he define Obama. I didn't say that. But that's an essence why what he did so popular. I mean you could make the case I mean it is the truth that the sheriffs of Pickens County said I don't I don't recognize. Your stinking order Mr. President. I mean that's why. People I think are overwhelmed they. On his side but you you you tell me what you think and did anybody. Listen to the radio right now actually see the obamacare navigator float. In the Greenville first Christmas break people worst -- pitchers over the weekend. Maybe you just missed it or maybe you just didn't think there was anything wrong with that. I think the texture is right if you're gonna have one in Greenville. And you're upset about that than what what is your position. On this situation and easily. In other words you would think it shouldn't be political or you think that political or. You know. Advocacy groups should be allowed to do it I -- what you think. Rushed the sheriff in Pickens County is right. Because Obama can only order. This on federal property. -- let's not forget. The ANC in South Africa. Used car bombs against civilian targets to effect change. -- civil -- pays his respects in South Africa than those respects are worthless. Fly flags at half staff for soldiers. Not South Africa. -- I was born and raised in Pickens. -- went from Clemson we commonly referred to Clemson as the people's republic of Clemson comes from Alvin didn't pickets. -- no I might believe -- no signs I'm twenty year military bad. With the US. And we the people even tattooed on our hands. So I believe in freedom more than soft. But if we let one in these parades then do we have to let all. Like the atheists and even the west Borough Baptist jerks. I wanna see senate and the Christmas parade not a bunch of signs. -- I say flag should be lowered for America. For Americans. Only. -- to Everett in Spartanburg. -- -- Well regulated nor a fun thing to. -- actor Matt Nelson Mandela in relation prison. And he was elected president of India -- near a devout Communist. And -- didn't take over all and start our radiation and everything itself perhaps spirit. And now they have the worst education system in the world. See -- worst education you mean worse than ours. More -- -- -- -- I've never been to South Africa ever and I I was ambition dish well I'm integration with yeah -- -- I don't know. But I know it was a well Communist he apparently from everything doubles certainly we thought he was when a matter of fact. The US. As I just shared via the Washington Post. But -- Nelson Mandela was on our terrorism watch list until 2008. When George W. Bush took him off the list based after the special waiver for him to come in this country. Well you know -- regularly as well as we are very worried -- what we -- our great nation Reagan even vetoed. You know. It's the efforts to to put the squeeze on South Africa. Are targeted to you know not be top -- South Africa Reagan what we wanted to be tough on South Africa in my inaugural on TV talking about it yesterday. Or roads Laporte wrestler is that. -- we've got a congressional delegation that where we got to fly everybody over there right to worship what worship distraught here we are on the -- with a Muslim Brotherhood. I mean these people over here and -- -- Pedro a deal would come missile. They're trying to. Well either that or. You know most of the delegation go longer Democrats I think there's only two Republicans one of them being senator Ted Cruz. And they believe that connection you could make there is that they -- they are Communists and they like Communist. Exactly -- where Enrique Cruz. About it -- jailed while housing there. You'd have to ask him -- I thought that was an odd name. To be on the list. I guess the short answer off top I have would be you know Ted Cruz I think there's no doubt is running for president. Exactly. Accurate Ari then do it. City. Folks listen I've never professed to have all the answers to everything -- under sharing with you some of the feedback that we've been getting. Last we keep out of respect on this program we talked about the death of Nelson Mandela. Then over the weekend this thing broke with a Pickens County sheriff. This morning. All kinds of things being written about Nelson Mandela and his background I mean it is what it is he was on the terrorist watch list until 2008. So anyway. What every like say about this is fine now Ross don't forget that Mandela invented the act of necklacing. Which involves covering and filling a tire and gasoline putting around someone's neck and lighting it on fire says the text message. -- these huge difference in these two parades. In -- the Obama care float paid for with tax dollars. In Pickens County the common core protest. Privately funded. -- only the left. Can -- of the dirt on the founding fathers of America. And white wash Mandela's Communist past. Are you don't try to read this and I think it's in short Jim Ross leave black man. Has never had the right. To defend anything. Without being a militants. Funny those who labeled them an awful mad if you reversed the table on them I think that's what that says. Russ don't forget the Mandela -- I read about. This is John I want -- I read about Mandela and his organization. The African National Congress. Where can I get some gasoline soaked tires to use as necklaces. Russ I'm going to watch the Mandela funeral on TV maybe I can catch the F 22 fly over that we didn't get on Saturday for Pearl Harbor day. Are keeping coming jump on board if you got something to say on any topic they've phone lines really slow on this Monday. So -- advantage talk lines as what we call them -- 2329673. Spartanburg 574. 96731045. Converse now when -- and travelers rest and I keep. Hey -- -- you know what can I hope you aren't. Yeah I just wonder side that I don't think we have great debate over there where they -- I don't understand it perhaps that's a follow inquire. I need a -- they put a huge -- did show up earlier start -- now -- -- I like they did pat them out as gray lady you're gonna do it. -- make it ordered it to match the -- I don't think. But it is it up to a city official within and big USA blue note that at least ambiguous. Policy. I mean should they be the ones to tell somebody that can't be a parade. And we have people hologram that they can't based anger noxious. Yet but we fight against it for example. Prayer in schools or -- the -- the battle on Christmas. I mean -- I wouldn't care one way or another -- -- -- that Eric Wright you know our NATO it bothered me here you know enough or get the message probably let you know I have. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well that's true except what bothers me. Its first -- if you're gonna have this policy put it put it clearly in the application. Don't don't let somebody pay the money and fill out the application. In the getting embarrassed. My political -- -- -- must be approved by council for -- ahead of time. There are -- veteran saint anger -- media and we'll. Right I mean I mean seriously good this last remark look these are tax paid is that tax Payer paid for streets. And I don't know why a city can just make it up on the spot. And and then you know use the power of a policeman. Two I tell a bunch of little kids and and and adults well that's political you're not allowed to carry those sites. I don't -- all over America and then turnaround yeah but we talk about it all over America. I mean we've got to judge. I don't do this story and as we've got to judging Colorado. Ordering a baker. That they have to make a wedding cake for gay couple. And he won't what -- earlier yeah what does. And by the way the adults involved in this parades that they would have considered that but that they had a bunch of little kids there with -- And they'll let you know you're gonna spend a brief press well what the biker you know I guess when you sang out -- would like -- This is the rust castle show. Powered and charge my batteries specialists. And I -- was. Rain still coming down it is cold out there. Like Christmas definite at least we're not yet not all that snow and ice. Tell your watch. Be careful out there good listeners are hard to find Merry Christmas did you win yours folks. As we head toward the final couple weeks before the big day the New Year's will be here. We'll do our best to get you there eagles' advantage to talk lines now totally free and clear. Whatever you like to talk about we've already talked about a lot of local things going on in the first couple of hours controversy at some area Christmas parades. We got the sheriff. Pickens County. Refusing. To lower the flag and put it at half staff. For Nelson Mandela but don't feel limited by any of that whatever's on your mind is fine. In Greek village 2329673. In Spartanburg. It's 5749673. Another way to think of that. -- 232 WORD. Spartanburg 574. WORD. Does it matter where you are. If you want a text this tissues that WORD text line number that 171307. -- no really. I think I've had wanted. One blister. Who. Thinks that what they -- -- Pickens -- did. Was brawl. Only one. People supporting -- Clark. -- -- Ordered the flag. To go. Back to full. Staff I guess you would say yesterday. After this president. Had ordered called for all flags and the White House public buildings grounds military posts. Naval stations and naval vessels. To remain lowered through some -- tonight. Out of show. Powered and charge my batteries specialists. And I -- was. Rain still coming down it is cold out there. Like Christmas definite at least we're not yet not all that snow and ice. Tell your watch. Be careful out there good listeners are hard to find Merry Christmas did you win yours folks. As we head toward the final couple weeks before the big day the New Year's will be here. We'll do our best to get you there eagles' advantage to talk lines now totally free and clear. Whatever you like to talk about we've already talked about a lot of local things going on in the first couple of hours controversy at some area Christmas parades. We got the sheriff. Pickens County. Refusing. To lower the flag and put it at half staff. For Nelson Mandela but don't feel limited by any of that whatever's on your mind is fine. In Greek village 2329673. In Spartanburg. It's 5749673. Another way to think of that. -- 232 WORD. Spartanburg 574. WORD. Does it matter where you are. If you want a text this tissues that WORD text line number that 171307. -- no really. I think I've had wanted. One blister. Who. Thinks that what they -- -- Pickens -- did. Was brawl. Only one. People supporting -- Clark. -- -- Ordered the flag. To go. Back to full. Staff I guess you would say yesterday. After this president. Had ordered called for all flags and the White House public buildings grounds military posts. Naval stations and naval vessels. To remain lowered through some -- tonight. Out of