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The Russ Cassell Show 12/23/2013 Hour 1

Dec 23, 2013|

Duck Dynasty and Cracker Barrel; Anderson woman pursued by police after shoplifting, shot and killed while trying to run officers over with her car

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This is the -- castle show -- and charge my batteries specialists. And merry Merry Christmas evening. And welcome men. -- we're here we're alive we're ready go Eagles advantage talk like numbers. Big green -- to greater Greenville area Q3 29673. That threw three to. WORD. Spartanburg is 5749673574. WORG. Those lines of course our talk line. They're -- talking on the air only if you would rather textiles. Then talks. Then by all means use the WORD Texas line number. That when -- 713070. What a mess outside if you are out and about pretty careful. These stunning thing it's so war is just so warm but it's. The cold weather is coming for tomorrow and for Wednesday. So likely Sarah engineer if you don't like the weather just wait fifteen minutes and don't change. We a lot of things going on today I mean normally this would be a really really slow Monday. I am prepared to talk the entire four hours I would rather not do that I would rather hear from -- whatever's on your mind. But and we got a milestone today. Blast state to sign up for obamacare if you think you want insurance starting New Year's Day. We've got to have the continuing controversy over Doug dynasty. And what happened over the weekend -- still can't quite figure out what Cracker Barrel was trying today. You know we in my family we love going to Cracker Barrel. And I'm trying to make a combined weather during the Christmas break -- where you can go to go to cracker -- I I think what were they trying to do. And why did they reversed themselves. Is it just because people were racing -- Did people even realize what they were raising -- about. So we got that sponsors are -- backing down that's a huge story Phil Robertson says he's not gonna backtracked this whole thing. And then we got this local story and Anderson where police shot. A woman on Friday night they didn't shoot her for all of -- cop haters out there they didn't shooter for shoplifting. You gotta get the facts of the case straight they did not shoot her for shoplifting I feel sorry for this mama. -- anybody would. That that's a default position bad when your kids out doing things they shouldn't be doing. As something horrible happens but I emphasize again they did not shoot her for shoplifting but I welcome your comments. Live local update time is 809. Perry did -- ten. Please elaborate on -- -- -- Cracker Barrel I will. I'll Russert asked for me and my family we're never gonna at a Cracker Barrel again I make better hash -- casserole anyway echoes from Gina in the -- though. You have -- -- first I. I just it's predictable. It's so predictable every time we have a horrible case like this and especially. Adds to -- that it's right here Christmas. People. I think. Make arguments that really don't make a lot of sense. And you know is just like don't holdup dynasty controversy. I I shared with about 75%. Of the entire GQ article with you on this program. 'cause I thought that was important and when you look at what Phil Robertson said it's basically one or two paragraphs. Out of a multi page article. I mean you've got to deal with in that in that case it got to deal with what actually was said vs. What we left want you to think was said. Armed. But -- in this you know local case here. This morning Anderson Friday night. Did apparently was shoplifting at Kohl's. Gallant Clemson boulevard. That was the least of what she did. She was not shot because she shoplift. I mean share and Rebecca McDowell. -- 49 year old woman. Just. Made error on top of error on top of error when you. Look at what we have as of this moment the facts of the case. According to the Anderson county coroner Greg shore. He told our news partner fox Carolina she ran from police. I chase ensued. Officers finally got the car stopped. One of the other documents that occupants there was more -- person in the car jumped out and ray and and then. Chaired McDowell took off again. And she drove into a trailer park just outside of the city of Anderson according to captain Tony Chile. Trailer park was -- dated. Dirt driveway. Off Appleton street. -- said the suspect still refused the orders from the police to get out of her vehicle. And then she rammed a patrol car. And tried to run down two officers. Who were already outside of their vehicle. Quarter -- said she backed her car into one of the patrol cars then took off. Toward two officers. That were on foot. And then that's when they shot back. She crashed her car into a house a few seconds later. A quarter according to coroner Greg shore. She was found dead at the scene and according to it is you know. Investigation at this point it appears. That she did die from the gunshot wounds. And they're gonna do an autopsy to determine if the crash. Was also -- factor in her death now her mother. Any McDowell. And this is a natural reaction I don't fault her. For daughters to it. And she's speaking to the media saying Yahoo! wasn't justified. As she added some more information she said her daughter. Had drug problems. She had. Problems with the -- quoting the mother. So that you know this wasn't her first trip to the rodeo so to speak. And of course her mother in any mom's gonna believe this. Said that her daughter didn't deserve to be shot. But here's what she said. Quoting her the lifestyle she lived. I thought deep down someone was going to hurt her on the street. I thought it would be a street person. Not a person that's supposed to protect heard the police officers. And she's waiting for answers. In god be whether. But see the difference in reality and what this mom is feeling. Police officers are out there to protect. Think of all the people that were in danger. You know during this this chase. Think of all the people in that neighborhood. Who were in danger. They were out there protect. So I. The couple meters for some reason always come out. They always no matter what I've done enough of these stories over the decades I'm doing this almost forty years amend my forties here now. And it and it's so predictable that cop haters anybody my suspicion is anybody who's ever had a problem with a -- Anybody who's ever had. You know a run in -- several run ends with a cop. They have decided that for the rest of their life they're gonna hate cops. No matter what no appreciation for what cops do. I'm I'm one of those folks who I appreciate what cops do I appreciate them. Richard position. That these two police officers were put it. Now all of us consider here its easy to say. You know what that had been me if I'd have been in that situation there's there's no way in the world. You know I would have ever shot at this one. And that's easy to say. But I gotta tell you looking at just. The facts of the case as they've been presented at this point -- wasn't -- I'd I don't know I'm just go one on what. These authorities said. But I have done enough these kinds of stories that it comes down basically in their smokes. I know this woman wasn't shot because she for shoplifting good goals. This this whole situation all she had to do all she had to do was just stopped. The police would have come over they would have talked to were. They probably yes would have arrested her -- would have been their job to do but no she took off. It even even when they stopped she did stop long enough to let somebody else out of the car and as of right now course Webb is investigating now because these two cops and Anderson have been put on administrator. Administrative leave. Daryl Foster and dog -- Eden. On administrative leave which is standard operating procedure until you know and chilling to an investigation. But I wonder who the person was -- got out of the car. You know. They don't know how fortunate they York that they'd somehow got out of the car. And in a way I don't know this woman -- McDowell you got to think this troop -- why did she stop and let a person out of the car. The issue already have it in her mind. Then. The police weren't gonna taker. Their mother said she had numerous problems drug problems numerous but her mother even said that -- was kind of expecting that something like this would happen. She just thought. That it would be somebody on the street. And Dolly police officer. I think that speaks volumes in this case. So. You can operators I'm sure you've already texted something you always do. If anyone would like to speak out against these police you're more than welcome to I've just explained the way I see it you're welcome to explain the way you see it. That's what these lines -- for. -- you -- text me something that's fine too but I think the majority of people. Understand. The horrific position -- cops are putting and -- I would I think most people in this audience and in this community here in the upstate South Carolina. I think they support these policemen. So horrible horrible story it didn't have to be that way. I think churn McDowell. Bears the brunt of the responsibility that this thing turned up the way that it did. How I see if you're welcome to tell me how you see it this or any other topic you'd like to comment on -- -- -- local big time is here again it is 819. Almost 8251. Christmas CV Merry Christmas to you and yours happy new year our final program. Our minds. -- quality here is out for the for the year. We've got Vince Coakley sending -- gets special programming tomorrow and Christmas Day partly -- to Michael on a cell phone. OK I do and I'm due in fights are totally out of they're shooting and Anderson does that mean we've got to worry about Al Sharpton coming down to present -- who knows. -- denial that there's anybody if there's anything we can learn from ministers we should never do anything that speeds when Al Sharpton mr. Or just some I mean at least Jesse's originally from Greenville you know. Either way but you know that the retail stores leadership and should stalker upon megaphones -- Florida -- from -- here and also allow. -- As far as assuming that the talks it is you know like you face some people automatically assume the cops did something wrong right. I'm a firm believer that if you are decent human being before you get a gun and badge. You're probably a decent human being once you have some. And if you're a jerk before it up again and a badge. You're probably a jerk what she got the -- has nothing to do with assuming what where the other. It should be any individual because everybody's different. And can we reasonably so I assume that a 49 year old woman who according to her own mother. Had had numerous run ins with the law had drug problems to mothers thought. Her daughter was gonna be killed anyway thought it would probably be by a street thug or a drug dealer. Can we assume the person then who goes to -- and shop less runs from the police tries to run over the police with a car can we assume from that. You know that she made a horrific mistake and it and it cost her her life. I can go one firmer but not okay. Look at everything you just -- about the mothers would assumptions. -- summed up at the beginning of the story when you when you said in Anderson. Or you just firing with all barrels today archer. Well a question or every year are trying to do all ignored OK am I -- I -- well I think that they can't call me and complain about what I only you don't have to at. Some good. We'll see if they will Michael thank you RA did of course posters and -- that are more than welcome to respond to. What does this rust. On the treated to a horrific spelling here. Chris I don't know is there -- check when you text. Negative well there's ought to correct which can cause a variety of other -- try to translate Ross. You need to stop. I guess that's the CDF India and that would be defended and okay these people PPL. You were not there it was not sure -- You don't know the officers. Or do you. You can imagine how horrific you sound. Don't make fun. Have I made fun of the situation. Not and I'm aware outs for even a second. Up okay. Ross the woman record recklessly endangered countless people in a series of rapidly declining poor decisions. What she did a trader ignited the gas tank starting horrific fire that may have killed many at any time she can simply stopped. And the whole affair wouldn't have escalated but again through very poor decisions. Choices that she made. She deprive herself and her family a -- by endangering others. It is sad that the police officers responding had to take the action they did to protect a soul. Yeah it's pretty much what I said over ten minutes but I've been very well put him back text and every single word was properly spelled. -- rustic kind of let her go. But is their law without enforcement maybe we should decriminalize. Everything but murder. -- someone disagrees reviewer thinks the police may have been wrong in this case it does not make us cop haters a person that disagrees with you. May even be a good person not an extremist not. It's what I say cop haters I'm talking about what you've -- a relative. Q. In the listening audience. Not people who I love it when people disagree these phone lines -- it -- right now. I'd just wish some who would you don't disagree. Would verbalize it on the phone but you know text is -- -- offices and Anderson. Shooting in the Anderson shooting. Flight -- fight kicked him. They follow their training I'm sure they -- families. They were protecting themselves so they can go home to them for Christmas if this woman would have killed an innocent bystander. Everyone I think would have been OK with the shooting in today's society the animosity for law enforcement officers he is very very sad. I I agree also got some text messages on Cracker Barrel we'll get to those after the news a lot of local -- time now 829. This is that Russ castle show for power and charge my battery specialists. Merry Christmas to you and yours happy new year to 835. A lot of local WORD. 1063. At the moment. Couple of stories token. We haven't had a horrible horrible story come out of Anderson -- -- the weekend. Police officers. Shot and killed a 49 year old woman on Friday night who had shoplift a -- -- but then. -- and from the police. Wound up on did in Rhode tried to run over a couple of -- crashed in the patrol car. And they fired or two officers fired at her and she's dead and her mom. Is saying is not justified. Even after admitting that her daughter had drug problems. And had problems with the law. And and send it in in a moment of clarity that. She thought someone was going to hurt her daughter she thought it would be on the street she just thought it would be a street person and not a police officer also. They haven't. Bizarre story of AD and don't dynasty. And Phil Robertson continues. I don't know budget like most people my family has been a Cracker Barrel many times. And so I was a little bit stunned when they came out. On Friday. And said basically they were gonna stop selling. According to their FaceBook post. Certain. -- dynasty or -- commander. Items. I -- Why would you only. Might be offensive. Some people. Let me quote what they said on Friday. Out of ideals of fairness mutual respect and equal treatment of all people. They said that they would continue to sell solemn. Dynasty -- commander items. But they removed. Some associated products that cracker Brill said word. The concern might offend. Some of their guests. While they -- value -- the situation bullet -- -- People responded and then Cracker Barrel reversed itself. They posted we made a mistake we listened to you we apologize. -- dynasty products are back in our stores. -- this was the full thing -- Cracker Barrel customer. When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain -- dynasty items we offended many of our loyal customers are intent was to avoid offending. But that's just what we've done. You told us we made a mistake -- shy about it you wrote you called you it took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. -- flat out told us we were wrong we listened. Today we're putting. Bowl. For offending you we respect all individual right to express all individual's right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different. We sincerely hope you'll continue to be a part of our -- Cabrera -- I'm really confused. You mean to tell me going into this. Cracker Barrel didn't real. That their customer base and I was announced but most of my life in marketing -- in the study of marketing Republicans stuffed. And you mean -- it did they really not know that their customer base would react this wearing. Did they think no one would -- care enough to respond the way they did. I I think Cracker Barrel has shown they have some pretty bad management. Whoever made this decision. Now some of the worst -- stuff you've been a Cracker Barrel you -- pressure Phillies to Cracker Barrel and from what I'm getting here you don't cure that they've apologized. -- are gonna go back. So we're gonna talk about that coming up stay tuned live local update time is 839. They ought to go to the phones we go should. -- -- -- -- The water I call -- already -- -- -- some of that shop yeah yeah and that it didn't. And trust -- -- supportive. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You show them -- so machine its top power so therefore should you know -- but -- policy. I can understand what you yet about met. Part of -- good example. A lot sports. Which years avatar won't show in town that I live there and play it back after the group's sound. No way to help a whole world what else can you didn't hear this time they did not stop somebody else -- charts wobbled off or went out through their. There lookup the -- -- -- little fat granola side of the road at the side a robot well so made about a power stroke -- through their. Productive field that's public -- one -- open to -- -- talks are not go straight through probably couples preached on the here. Got that period a slash I weighed me down a lot -- Erode when the -- start screaming that they did not do their little book here. So what Milwaukee did you know if -- proper period after the Serb side there -- stopped producer then Carter -- -- collectible -- -- -- -- -- And I -- park reproduced or not it was not a done and -- that it can't go through another record streak is that you know. -- -- -- -- -- -- Turn our our our true there. To a future. After talk ordered him he would actually back in fact -- away from my car. Try and what can I reroute traffic not always -- to make in Utah are. They put operates the top you know that if you hit with that caught up put a bullet and you. Enough -- you know what you're you're trying. And I'm not scared to open the border Resop back to power up and -- well. Went down in the street -- -- and the cops there outside I don't know he radioed up to resemble whatever. Struggle around the block come down -- road -- parallel for one powerball. And the more thought about what he says two main effort that's well I stopped our car industry walked all -- were also words. He is standing here talking to another -- sort of area if they -- could help. Crawford yes sir customer and you also -- -- that you suggest sir fossil fuel I cannot that you badge number and I. You know there are also like why. Is it. -- A token abrupt undermine a lot of legal tools are. Start -- -- -- you know you're gonna help me it would have been everywhere at such that any start slippery slopes and champ -- opinion. So warm up to these are armored truck that came forward so what's the matter should be -- air outside it is right here offered -- Support fighters and hard workers are trying to bet you do it -- you have a penalty. Well and got their opponents from the the arc proper diet went back -- sports -- not yet. -- well sergeant mark warrant here at ticket -- -- without power people are not about about art portrait Obama got a question as often yes or other. Chertoff was also named donor broad and should. You know you can also made it and I have to be enough to know that's what happened at Villa also have been direct traffic what he should have been. Into what -- and so public. On the order he looked indifferent to what else. The court they -- up to -- adult or a twelve foot Walter to -- know -- approached. So I had to come back -- report first major gaming affidavit saying had been changed so they could try to sell or compare. So rational Torre's first -- which courtroom. And -- -- -- -- two biggest problem right here. They're often been ordered to reduce that load that very I would say which I had the thirty. -- there and teach you -- spot all church. Parker -- call on -- I grew up there. Trying to bolster the one -- -- and the the pocket and shortly also about that it now approach and Norstrom structure could get no respect. -- -- -- property here you're on about you know what it looked up and these are popular military may have to you -- our partners. You -- it's spread more initial public already. He looked forward to austerity sit. Also are you ready to go -- -- -- or not -- -- charters. It happened just here to play it's gotten to what he did get the ball. It should all that trouble you have lesson. Fascinating story it just goes to show that you know -- always right. I never said you're always right. They've they've made mistakes and yet there are rogue cops out there. From the facts in the case and Anderson though back to what we were talking about. From the facts as we understand that now I think the cops did the right thing as tragic as it was. Thank you JD live local update -- from 849. Brian his Buick. I'm young hungry and I want to say hi my parents think Clinton thought I -- -- -- behind in. Pro am Wednesday when you're with your family when you sit around a great meal when your. You know watching those small precious children do their thing just remember. Those who are on foreign shores and around different parts of this globe says cannot be with their family. Remember our soldiers and their families. Merry Christmas to each and every one of them. All right Edward is next on a cell phone thank you for waiting -- They're Lauren aren't -- and comment on this but Anderson your battle I don't know about it -- you do that they are. -- they don't that it. I think -- paper we're gonna think about it a US power. For -- style is very is. Most people expect these survey agencies. In the pursuit of getting federal aren't Kirk. Noted our power equipment back Arab. And all undergone standard. Training and are -- trying to is that there are that everybody -- I -- in contact with the potential for. And you know it collected the only school you have a hammer everything looks like in the -- and they see everybody's perfect and it can't that would that the central -- has -- -- -- -- counted up. Situation an officer -- shooting. And I think people are. Suspects. Officers because they have got that attitude and that that it is it art practiced the matter being brokered opera. They're trying to that's -- Well I think there's a fine line here -- -- all due respect if you're as I've used this example before if you're Highway Patrol officer. And it's 3 o'clock in the morning and you see somebody going down I don't know by 85 I 95. Add to an 8590. Miles an hour. And Europe the middle of nowhere yet you're right they are trained you are to approach that car then I'm assuming get pulls over. Sure new approach that car with -- extreme caution because sadly we've we've had officers. Who even after their training. Walk up to one of those windows and they're blown away left sitting on the side of the road. The story that the gentleman just shared obviously. Is is a cop that which is full of himself. A little too much an end. -- like our bank -- -- are trying to Peter why I didn't have to be trained that way. Well I think it's a great and at least I -- got out of step out there -- a -- situation or just being hot air most of the lyrics. But it didn't do that aren't saying that they get -- -- -- it -- it loses all credibility at a funny thing happened. Do investigate the another. Our police or immigration -- -- -- investigate or not how. Spared you think it is going to be any best I heard people. I think most of the time they are fair. I think most of the time they are and other we're in more cases than not act in more cases than not won't want investigated. I don't. You know having to police investigate the police I think it -- this just the white. Tape. Abused sore or a black they're they're gonna. They're default position just -- of the police -- edit. Well not probably -- organization. Probably -- You know. You know. -- organization investigated. But it better. There aren't many -- -- -- may be a lot more likely to be -- -- I get the seriousness of the problem. I -- I would like to believe and I do believe I believe even in in a jury situation. I I I believe most people are gonna side with the police. Now you're always gonna have this group of people out there in the right here from every time something like this pops up. I mean I still remember a text message I got the last time this happened the only good cup as it did cup. And in the these are people here. This is what they believe. That early -- -- I thought I am I cannot thank I think. It that this that concerned about thank a lot of sort of like myself I have is that that this. Their attitude this sort of chip on their shoulder edit -- -- everybody -- error is the potential for that. Is try and talk is Eddy Eddy Curry's is practiced. It's practice or situation or cops got a bad day eerie in that respect -- This group. This the -- trying. Air. I think a lot of people are are. Numbers -- Will would just agree to disagree I I would submit and and thank you for those comments but I would submit. It put yourself in their their position. How could you in this day and age when everything going on that we report on regularly. I mean. In the last I would say eighteen months two years. We've had -- and dramatic increase in cases. Where where people would just as soon shoot cop is to look at them. We all across the country there isn't that fear that -- wants books once was a law enforcement. I I would think you would have to be trying to talk to law enforcement officers about this -- they are trained. Because you never know from 12 to the next pay did you wanna come home at the end of the day live local update time 859.